Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/10/2004 09:30 PM Senate 301

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON SENATE BILL 301                                                                           
                          May 10, 2004                                                                                          
                           9:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAPE(S) 04-01                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Richard Foster, Chair                                                                                            
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Con Bunde, Chair                                                                                                        
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFERENCE CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 301                                                                                           
"An  Act relating  to the  Alaska Pioneers'  Home and  the Alaska                                                               
Veterans'  Home; relating  to eligibility  for  admission to  the                                                               
Alaska Pioneers' Home and Alaska  Veterans' Home; relating to the                                                               
eligibility of  residents for the  Alaska Pioneers' Home  and the                                                               
Alaska Veterans' Home for general  relief assistance; relating to                                                               
state  veterans' home  facilities; making  conforming amendments;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     MOVED CCS SB 301 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 301                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PIONEERS' HOMES/VETERANS' HOMES                                                                                    
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/06/04       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/06/04       (S)       HES, FIN                                                                                               
02/20/04       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/20/04       (S)       -- Meeting Canceled --                                                                                 
02/25/04       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/25/04       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/25/04       (S)       MINUTE(HES)                                                                                            
03/01/04       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/01/04       (S)       Moved CSSB 301(HES) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/01/04       (S)       MINUTE(HES)                                                                                            
03/02/04       (S)       HES RPT CS 2DP 1NR   NEW TITLE                                                                         
03/02/04       (S)       LETTER OF INTENT WITH HES REPORT                                                                       
03/02/04       (S)       DP: DYSON, GREEN; NR: GUESS                                                                            
03/26/04       (S)       FIN RPT CS 5DP 1NR  NEW TITLE                                                                          
03/26/04       (S)       HES LETTER OF INTENT WITH FIN REPORT                                                                   
03/26/04       (S)       DP: GREEN, WILKEN, BUNDE, STEVENS B,                                                                   
03/26/04       (S)       DYSON; NR: OLSON                                                                                       
03/26/04       (S)       FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
03/26/04       (S)       Moved CSSB 301(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/26/04       (S)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
04/01/04       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
04/01/04       (S)       VERSION: CSSB 301(FIN)                                                                                 
04/05/04       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/05/04       (H)       MLV, HES, FIN                                                                                          
04/05/04       (H)       SENATE LETTER OF INTENT                                                                                
04/07/04       (H)       MLV REFERRAL WAIVED                                                                                    
04/07/04       (H)       HES REFERRAL WAIVED                                                                                    
04/07/04       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
04/07/04       (H)       Moved HCSCSSB 301(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                
04/07/04       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
04/13/04       (H)       FIN AT 3:00 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
04/13/04       (H)       Moved letter of intent Out of Committee                                                                
04/13/04       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
04/14/04       (H)       FIN RPT HCS(FIN) 8DP                                                                                   
04/14/04       (H)       DP: MEYER, STOLTZE, JOULE, CROFT,                                                                      
04/14/04       (H)       FOSTER, FATE, HARRIS, WILLIAMS                                                                         
04/14/04       (H)       SENATE LETTER OF INTENT WITH FIN REPORT                                                                
04/15/04       (H)       VERSION: HCS CSSB 301(FIN) AM H                                                                        
04/16/04       (S)       CONCURRENCE MESSAGE READ AND HELD                                                                      
05/09/04       (H)       CONFERENCE COMMITTEE APPOINTED                                                                         
05/09/04       (H)       FOSTER, CHAIR; WILSON, GRUENBERG                                                                       
05/09/04       (H)       LIMITED POWERS FREE CONFERENCE GRANTED                                                                 
05/10/04       (S)       301 AT 9:00 PM FAHRENKAMP 203                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Ms. Karen McCarthy                                                                                                              
Staff to Senator Con Bunde                                                                                                      
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 301.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dennis DeWitt, Special Assistant                                                                                            
Office of the Governor                                                                                                          
PO Box 110001                                                                                                                   
Juneau AK 99811-0001                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 301.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 04-01, SIDE A                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
             SB 301-PIONEERS' HOMES/VETERANS' HOMES                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CON  BUNDE called the  CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON  SENATE BILL                                                             
301 meeting  to order at 9:30  p.m. All members were  present. He                                                               
noted that  the Senate is agreeable  to items 1 &  2, proposed by                                                               
Representative Gruenberg, which amend AS 15.05.020 as follows:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   1. on page 3, line 3, change "by the voter notifying" to "if                                                                 
     the voter notifies"                                                                                                        
   2. on page 6, line 31, and page 7, lines 2 and 5, add "and                                                                   
     operate" after "maintain"                                                                                                  
   3. on page 7 list "Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, Ketchikan                                                                   
     Palmer" after "Sitka" to indicate the places where                                                                         
     Pioneers' Homes are operated                                                                                               
   4. on page 8 add lines 12 - 14 to read: "(f) The department                                                                  
     shall conduct, at least  annually, an unannounced inspection                                                               
     of each  site of the  Alaska Pioneers' Homes and  the Alaska                                                               
     Veterans' Homes  to determine  compliance of  the facilities                                                               
     with all applicable laws and regulations."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  wondered  why,  in item  4,  inspections  would  be                                                               
unannounced.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MAX GRUENBERG  explained that  Representative Bob                                                               
Lynn suggested that change because  of a problem Marty Margeson's                                                               
father  had with  a  Pioneer Home.  He  explained, "They  weren't                                                               
doing such a good job, at  least in that case." The amendment was                                                               
offered on the House floor and overwhelmingly adopted.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  stated the  committee  concurred  with item  4.  He                                                               
suggested  the   committee  discuss  changes  to   section  16  -                                                               
Admission to  a Home  - next.  The language on  page 10,  line 8,                                                               
increases  the  value  of personal  property  that  a  subsidized                                                               
resident  may keep  from $5,000  to $10,000.  He indicated  there                                                               
were no  objections to  that. The  language on  page 8,  line 27,                                                               
increases the amount  of income that an individual  whose care is                                                               
being subsidized can keep from $100  to $150. He noted the Senate                                                               
has a problem with that because of the fiscal impact.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said he  understood and  suggested that                                                               
increase will  help seniors because  it applies to  all Pioneers'                                                               
Homes, not  just the Veterans'  Homes. He commented, "It's  not a                                                               
lot of money.  You're on the Finance Committee. Can  we find that                                                               
money for these guys? They would really appreciate it."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE reminded  him that  this  change meant  a $2,000  to                                                               
$2,500 subsidy  per month  for all the  people staying  there. He                                                               
maintained, "They're  getting a pretty  good deal from  the state                                                               
right now and I just can't go for that additional money."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  countered that he would  normally agree                                                               
with  him, but  the difference  between  $100 and  $150 for  each                                                               
person to  spend in a whole  month is huge. "That's  all they can                                                               
spend in a whole month." He asked if they would consider $125.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BERT  STEDMAN commented  that he lives  a block  from the                                                               
Pioneer Home in  Sitka and doesn't believe those  seniors spend a                                                               
lot of  money. "They don't  get out,"  he maintained. He  said he                                                               
would be more comfortable with  $110, recognizing that the $5,000                                                               
an individual would get to keep would be bumped up to $10,000.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PEGGY  WILSON asked where  the money was  going to                                                               
come from. "Don't we have to somehow balance the budget?"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE said  he thought the money would  be saved internally                                                               
through reduced nursing assistance.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     They  get to  have a  little more  spending money,  but                                                                    
     they don't  get quite  the level of  care. If  they are                                                                    
     indigent, we are  going to give them a  room that costs                                                                    
     almost $4,600 per month.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON said  she  would rather  see  the $25  per                                                               
person spent on more nursing aides than spending money.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG tried  hard to  explain that  he didn't                                                               
want to  cut the number of  nursing aides but was  only trying to                                                               
give the seniors additional funds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE emphasized that the aides were going to be cut.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  argued that  if the  stipend is  cut to                                                               
$125, another $80,000 could be found in the budget.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  stated that the  Pioneer Homes don't have  a lot                                                               
of room in their budgets.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said  he  wanted  to  find  the  money                                                               
outside of the Pioneer Homes budget.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE said  increasing residents'  spending limit  to $150                                                               
would  cost the  equivalent of  four nursing  assistants, and  an                                                               
increase  to  $125  would  cost   two.  He  asked  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg if he could live with that compromise.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  countered  by  asking  if  they  could                                                               
short-fund  the  aides and  add  that  cost to  the  supplemental                                                               
budget next year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON said  the commissioner  has made  it clear                                                               
that no matter what, they would not have a supplemental budget.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE called  for  a roll  call vote  on  the question  of                                                               
increasing personal  holdings from $100 to  $125. Representatives                                                               
Gruenberg  and  Senator  Olson voted  yea:  Senator  Stedman  and                                                               
Representatives Foster and Wilson, and  Chair Bunde voted nay and                                                               
the amendment failed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced that personal holdings would stay at $100.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KAREN  MCCARTHY, staff to  Senator Bunde, mentioned  that the                                                               
language, "except  as otherwise  provided in this  subsection" on                                                               
page 6, line 30, needed to be considered for adoption.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked if that phrase makes a substantial change.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENNIS  DEWITT, Special  Assistant to  the Governor,  said it                                                               
does make a substantial change. He explained:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The reason  we put the 'except  as otherwise [provided]                                                                    
     in  this subsection'  is  when we  listed  Palmer as  a                                                                    
     Pioneer  Home and  then  later in  the  section it  was                                                                    
     changed to a Veteran's  Home. That keeps it consistent.                                                                    
     It's otherwise  noted that  the Palmer  Home will  be a                                                                    
     Veterans' Home.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG moved  to  add the  phrase, "except  as                                                               
otherwise   provided  in   this   subsection."   There  were   no                                                               
objections. He indicated there were  no further issues to resolve                                                               
and CCS SB  301 was moved from committee. There  being no further                                                               
business to come before the committee, he adjourned the meeting                                                                 
at 9:45 p.m.                                                                                                                    

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